• rustyfish@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Every time you think Russia can’t possibly get more evil, they put on their comic book villain hats and go further beyond.

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      Russia is unbelievably cartoonishly evil. I think when Russia failed to subjugate Ukraine in one fell swoop, Putin went insane and doubled down with stupid plans.

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    9 months ago

    Such is the situation of unemployment here, people are forced to fight for another country and get killed without earning anything??? Two fascists ruined India and Russia

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      Not here to defend Russia, but afaik Russian soldiers earn about $2000/mo, which would be good for India if higher rank officers didn’t take a huge portion of it to themselves.

      Ukrainian soldiers earn slightly less - about $1600-1800, but I haven’t heard about wage theft there.

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        Alright salary, but you are working 24/7 and you’ll have to get back home alive to actually enjoy it.

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          Eh, your family will get compensated in the event of your death. It’s not really sustainable long term, but Russia has dedicated quite a bit of budget to this. There’s still fraud and whatnot, obviously.

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            I find the idea that the idea that people from another country tricked into conscription would get this benefit. If they got to this point by trickery, what’s to stop more trickery?

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              The tragic thing is that, for some, it might be. Especially if they’re promised that they will serve in a supportive capacity, far away from the frontline. Once you’re there, these agreements don’t really matter anyway.

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                The tragic thing is that, for some, it might be.

                To add a context here: since the start of the war, the poverty in Russia dropped from 22% to 9.6%. Of course there are both a factor of manipulation with statistics before the presidential elections and a lag between poverty metrics and inflation, but the number still blows my mind: more than 10 million people were elevated from the poverty.

                But don’t get tricked here: people were forced to poverty, and then the government gave away a few coins back.

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                  Interesting conclusion. When I was half way through reading your comment I had just assumed the drop was caused by the poor being the ones sent to the trenches, dying as cannon fodder, and as such reducing the % of poor people across the whole population of Russia

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                  To add a context here: since the start of the war, the poverty in Russia dropped from 22% to 9.6%. Of course there are both a factor of manipulation with statistics before the presidential elections and a lag between poverty metrics and inflation, but the number still blows my mind: more than 10 million people were elevated from the poverty.

                  I have zero trust in that people were actually elevated from poverty

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            9 months ago

            In Russia, your family will get a sack of potatoes in the event of your death, certainly not your unpaid salary.

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        What’s disturbing is that those soldier salaries are providing state money and purpose to Russian regions that never saw it before, so there lives are actually getting better thanks to the war. As opposed to the common belief here that Russians are suffering from war related restrictions, the majority is not, only privileged Moscow people may have their life impacted by international sanctions. Source: https://www.newsdirectory3.com/the-majority-of-russians-have-never-had-it-so-good/

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      And Brazil. And the US. And Britain, but that’s since a long time. And, well, most of Africa and South/Central America. But that was mostly the US, too. China, of course, but that could be argued was Britain’s fault. Indonesia, Israel, most of the Middle East really, Turkmenistan, Hungary, Serbia, Belarus…

      Can we agree that fascism maybe is not a good idea? Or are we gonna have to fight about it again?

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      How? Because We are neutral on War? Genuinely Asking

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        Yes. Neutral on this war is enough for me, and evidently others, to say you’re on the wrong side. Even the Swiss have wised up to this.

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          Even the Swiss have wised up to this.

          Swiss here, believe me, the cowardice of our federal council hiding behind nEuTrALitY pisses me off to no end

          I wish we would go all in in supporting Ukraine. Our neutrality does not extend to violations of international law. Acting like it does is a cowardly political decision supported by ultra rich motherfuckers who hope to continue getting richer and richer through trading with the mafia that is the Russian state

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            Thanks for your words and thoughts!

            By way of clarification on my original post, it’s only ever fair to make a statement (sweeping generalization) like mine about a state (ie: the policy/position of its leaders) and not it’s people, so I want to make sure that’s understood as my position here.

            While there have been cases in history where a great number of humans being have been aligned along a “questionable” moral axis, I’ve never heard of a single case where every person was unanimous in anything, especially on extreme issues.

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        “If there are 11 people seated at a dinner table with a fascist, and none of them are denouncing the fascist, there are 12 fascists at that table”

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        From my first hand experience when I visited last year, nearly everyone I spoke to had a hard time acknowledging there was anything wrong with what they saw as Russia reclaiming land that was rightfully theirs. There was often outright admiration for Putin for being brave enough to put the interest of his nation first and telling the West to go swivel.

        No coincidence that India has similar feelings towards several of its own neighbours and parts of Kashmir are not too dissimilar to Crimea.

        The reaction would be very different if China ever did the same in Taiwan though, because… reasons.

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          Oh Thanks and Yep, You are right reaction would be different if China ever did something to its neighbour I know my country pretty well.

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          India’s neutrality is due to several factors all aligning in the same direction:-

          • We need wheat, fertilisers and oil from Russia.

          • Most Indians, across the political spectrum, have a positive view of Russia due to all the things they did for us during the Cold War. Most Indians wouldn’t know what a Ukraine is.

          • The Ukrainian police (and many citizens) attacked Indian students and workers trying to leave the country when the war began. They were also accused of using Indians and Africans as human shields. Ukraine and NATO are also supporting the Gaza genocide.

          (I’m guessing there is also some schadenfreude, at least among some people, at seeing a European country getting colonised by a semi-Asian one.)

          Also, India has a one-China policy and does not usually comment on the internal affairs of other countries.

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            I’m guessing there is also some schadenfreude, at least among some people, at seeing a European country getting colonised by a semi-Asian one.

            All this tells me is that Indians’ objection to colonisation is that they weren’t the ones doing it.

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              There is definitely a section that feels this way, at least with regards to the UK. Fortunately, there are a small minority (for now).

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                No they aren’t. They absolutely aren’t. What we are doing in Kashmir is nothing short of colonisation. India is as imperialistic as the west is/was. It’s just that we’re terrible at it.

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              India should probably have given more aid to the Ukrainian people, and helped broker ceasefires or humanitarian pauses. But to destroy our relationship with Russia would be risking famine and economic collapse (see how the significantly richer EU has suffered from lack of oil).

              Ironic you mention that Ukraine was unfair to Indians when the Russians are literally kidnapping them and forcing them to work.

              The first happened two years ago; the second has only come to light recently. If the Russian state is found to have been complicit in the latter, public opinion will doubtless change.

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          Neutral, noun;

          Meaning to side with Russia in a war against an independent sovereign nation state

          Definitions are weird aren’t they?

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            WOW congratulations on pulling up a definition and using it in a sentence.

            Keep it up maybe one day you’ll achieve something.

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        FUCK Modi’s India. In fact, fuck it all for leaning towards the authoritarian fascists while simultaneously being a rape capital

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    At first I read “Dig fucking french” and was very confused.

    I don’t want to be sent to dig frenches and die for multiple Putin’s yachts and countless mansions.

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    I hope I live long enough to read books written by Saboteurs who were forced into service for Putin’s bullshit.