Last I checked cars exist with more regulations than most heavy machinery. I don’t disagree with your position but this is a poor argument.
Yeah, my uncle has a back hoe and I don’t think he’s had any training on it.
I’ll chime in… I have a backhoe and I assure you I’ve never had any training.
Leave my mother out of this.
She’ll be disappointed to miss out
Pretty sure your uncle doesn’t drive his back hoe 120km/h down a public road. Also atleast where I live back hoe equipped tractor needs to be licensed, driven by tractor licensed person to travel down public road. If it isn’t so, it needs to be trailer loaded from work siteto another.
Also tycally to commercially operate heavy machine either industry regulation or just business sanity demands trained operators.
I would note, you don’t need drivers license to drive a car on private closed road. Go crush oneself in car volt on private yard all one wants, the issue is untrained person driving on public road endangers others. That is why there is also demand for traffic insurance for the other parties damages, not ones own damage.
You say that like theres some kinda regulations on heavy machinery
That’s what the “don’t take when operating heavy machinery” labels on medications are referring to for most people, I’m not sure how many people actually realize that though, and that’s a scary thought.
Most people are like “oh that’s fine it’s not like I’m a pilot or a nuclear engineer.” And then proceed to drive their car at 120 km/h on the highway.
Come to think of it, why not just make it crystal clear and say “don’t drive when taking this medicine” on the label?
That’s what my melatonin pills say.
“Do not drive or use machinery for 5 hours after taking melatonin.”
Although I follow the directions I swear the supplements are 95% placebo.
To top it off, ebikes and escooters have speed limiters or are outright banned in many places, yet cars never have speed limiters in them.
Cars 100% have limiters on them. Required by law.
Fun fact: different places have different laws but the same internet!
In what way?
Totally not required by law
What law? There is no such law in either the US or Canada (US because the internet is generally US-Centric, Canada because that’s where I am)
The vehicles do have governors, but it’s more about whats safe for the vehicle and its tire rating than road speeds.
Not all vehicles in North America have governors nor is it required by law.
Alot of Japanese cars do but that’s because they didn’t bother removing the governor that they use in Japan (190kph/118mph). Most American and European manufactured cars are limited by transmission or physics and not governors.
What are you asking for?
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You need a license, registration, inspection, and insurance to drive a car.
Literally none of those are speed limiters.
- all cars have speed limiters
- we’re talking about regulations, not limiters.
all cars have speed limiters
Incorrect.
we’re talking about regulations, not limiters.
Also incorrect.
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What are paragraphs?
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When one of them has nothing to do with the other three, splitting them into separate paragraphs is good practice to avoid confusion.
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Forklifts are typically heavier than cars, easier to tip, come with piercing forks and, are operated in pedestrian heavy areas much more frequently. You can be certified a lot quicker and easier than it takes to get a driver’s license, and typically you won’t be the one registering and insuring the equipment. And that’s just one specific type of heavy equipment.
the hard part of learning to drive isn’t learning how to drive, it’s learning how to drive accounting for the fact that everybody sucks at driving
that’s not really an issue with a forklift
There are two driving lives. The first one begins when you get your license. The second one begins when you realize at least half the cars you see everyday are driven by dangerous morons whos intelligence and awareness are far surpassed by the average dog. A good red flag for a dangerous idiot is tailgaters and people who don’t keep the 3 car safety distance. “I want you to go faster so I’m going to get my front as close as I can to your rear and blind you with ultrabrights!” “How bout I go 5 miles slower just to piss you off you stupid fucking animal.”
even ignoring the spite factor, you actually should go slower, since you need more time to slow down if something happens ahead of you or they’ll rear end you
Forklifts […] are operated in pedestrian heavy areas much more frequently [than cars].
???
Forklifts are often operated inside warehouses, backrooms, and behind stores and in store parking lots. Cars don’t drive there, but employees, vendors, inspectors and customers walk in these areas. I’ve yet to see a forklift on a highway or high traffic road. Which is why forklift operators have spotters.
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So they’re saying that it should be easier to be given a driver’s license? I was forklift certified in a couple hours in a day. I had to drive for many hours over the course of a year before I was allowed to drive solo in a vehicle.
Plus I’ve never had to have an eye exam to be certified on a forklift.
The point they think they’re making and the point they’re actually making are two different things.
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Cars have rev limiters
This is to protect the engines. You can get a car up above 100mph easily enough.
Every car made has a speed limiter that’s usually capped at the rated speed for the tires.
The only ones I’ve seen with electronic limiters are usually sports cars and way above a reasonable highway speed, like 140+
My old 90s beater had a governor at about 100mph. My current car’s is 125. According to Bloomberg every car sold has a governor, but apparently I’m wrong on the reason. It’s not the law but no insurance company will insure a new car that doesn’t have one since the mid 90s.
The 90s still was trailing off the Oil Crisis, trucks having 55 on the dash (and nothing more) was still commonplace.
Modern cars can still be insured without governor. A 2010s Fiesta still can hit its top speed of 135 (gear limited and not a governor).
I’m in the U.S., and I’ve never driven a car with one.
Germany here: the speed limiter in regards to tires is a little sticker.
Plus maybe a little warning in the cockpit that the speed limit has been exceeded
your car is capable of going over 100mph, the odds of you going far beyond that is very low unless you’re a complete moron.
Unfortunately there are an awful low of complete morons allowed to drive.
E-bikes should be banned on bikeways, they are motorcycles not bikes
That depends on the type of ebike, surely? Here in the UK/EU ebikes are limited to 250w power, motor only active when pedaling, and a max speed of 25kph. I regularly get over 25kph on my acoustic bike, should I also be banned from bike ways?
Do cars (like other heavy machinery) not need a licence of some sort to use where you live?
It’s trivially easy to get a driver’s license in US and Canada, and you don’t need regular retesting.
So yes, but that’s not the point.
Hot take i haven’t seen anywhere else, I love it
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