you
you get it
all of this “marketplace of ideas” bullshit predicates on the alt-right and fascists cooperating and playing fair, when they historically have always taken advantage of any chance they’re given and then mocking those who wanted to give them a chance
like it’s 2023, I’d hoped that we’d have realized why giving the alt-right and fascists a seat at the table never fucking works out for anyone other than the alt-right and fascists
not every place in the internet is America
well congrats on being lucky so far
holy shit you have zero comprehension of politics at all, do you
“fascism is when people stop listening to you”, right next to “communism is when the government does stuff”
you can leave the instance if you don’t like it; this allows you to access the rest of the fediverse; saying “you’re blocked from the entire fediverse” is not a good reason to not defed because it’s fundamentally not true
how about that whole span of time that r/the_donald was a subreddit lmao
edit: it’s not censorship if you can easily move to another instance with little difficulty and just continue from there, with most of the same communities even
people like you just think someone telling them that they don’t want to hear you is the same as being suppressed
surprising how little some USAmericans know this
edit: like our Overton Window is so far right that even the Democrats would be conservatives in many countries ; if someone doesn’t comprehend the severity of this, they have little business talking about the alt-right
god damn it, this “free market of ideas” bullshit never fucking worked
people who are bigots more often than not double down on their bigotry when it’s challenged
because it’s not a reasoned position they’re taking; it’s “Things in my life aren’t that great, and I don’t trust those people; I am going to rationalize to myself that that’s their fault” or “I just don’t like those people and I want an excuse to hurt them”
like yeah, sometimes it’s genuinely not knowing, but if you’re constantly proven wrong about your bigotry and you keep doing it then you, on some level, want to continue being bigoted
the marketplace of ideas means fuck all when it comes to people telling you that you shouldn’t be allowed to exist
tell me that you’re a white middle class guy who’s never faced marginization without teling me that you’re a white middle class guy who’s never faced marginalization
holy shit, how do I even begin to explain that you can’t just “ignore” Nazis and racists and transphobes and letting them keep their platform
you do understand that they hurt real fucking people, right???
didn’t know “some people shouldn’t have rights or the right to exist” is just an opinion
whatever, clown
seems like that instance is gonna approximate the worst parts of reddit in the future lmao
considering that I’m definitely not the only kbin user on this thread, no?
and that “nonpolitical” thing, what does that mean?
What do we consider as so normal that believing in it or saying it is considered apolitical?
because the context here is that there are alt-right users on an instance and the instance is either doing a bad job of getting rid of them, or is completely fine with them being there
and maybe that’s apolitical to you, but not to a lot of minorities
Not really a fan of putting on shades so I don’t have to see the nazis in the nazi bar
just kick the nazis out
Like I’d hope that we wouldn’t follow in Reddit’s footsteps of tolerating alt-right bigotry
Defederating isn’t like being fucking censored or whatever; it’s people deciding that they don’t want to be around you
Basically near-every instance did this for Lemmygrad with zero complaint, so it’s fucking weird that there are so many people complaining now when it comes to an instance teeming with alt-right bigotry
yeah, like if anything else support it because actual talk of defederation might get the admins to get their house in order
and if not, then nobody’s gonna miss an alt-right haven anyway
In Beehaw’s case especially I saw a lot of people who came off more that they took being defederated personally or that they felt entitled to Beehaw’s communities than anything
like I still can’t understand why people found it so abhorrent that Beehaw temporarily defederated; they literally stated why and explicitly stated that it’s probably not permanent
like they made it clear, people just didn’t bother to read for some reason
I’m not blocking you; had you been replying to what I said?
also being blocked from an instance doesn’t mean you’re suddenly not able to use the Fediverse; it just means that that instance doesn’t want to associate with yours
this can be fixed by just moving to another instance, or (in this case) getting rid of the alt-right shit
Defederation isn’t an attack on free speech; it’s a group saying that they don’t want to interact with you; freedom of expression doesn’t mean everyone must listen
exactly what I was trying to say
rationally reasoning with bigots rarely leads to bigots abandoning their bigotry; oftentimes it leads to them latching onto something else as an excuse or rationalization for their bigotry, doubling down out of spite, or outright violence