I take it as a natural reaction to overload of stress/emotion/pain. Being able to cry is physiologically beneficial (you get rid of cortisol) and psychologically it can help you process the things you’re going through more quickly. Trying to appear though by not crying seems counterproductive to me, but I understand in some cultures it is not socially acceptable to cry, especially for men.

To me, if you’re crying you’re admitting that something is stronger than you, that you’re powerless, and i still find it useless, i guess that i just have a bad image of it(, it can be beautiful though, like tears of joy, or of an emotion which isn’t defeat). But i clearly(, and subconsciously,) don’t treat men, women, or children, in the same point of view in regard to crying, i’d never think of saying “man up” to a woman hurt to the point of tears, yet i find it admirable when a man swallow his pain, and straighten his profile in order to act after whatever happened, that’s the common thinking, i’m not the weird one here(, even if my descriptions are very imperfect), but since modernity changed so many things they may end up suppressing the differences between men and women, or not, w/e.

If I suppressed my emotions, I would still be influenced by them, but I would have no conscious control over them, which would again result in limiting my rationality

On the contrary, suppressing your emotions helps to act rationally without being overwhelmed by them, and i.m.o. there’s no real difference between emotions and reason, since our feelings can be explained rationally, we’re often saying that “reason ignore the heart’s own reasons”, but that’s not true, we are indeed influenced by subconscious feelings that we would be unable to analyse, but that’s a minor side and i don’t make a distinction between the cold reasoning and the hot emotions, i’m deciding with both a’d i think almost everyone does the same.

I find the terms inner strength and beauty to be also very vague.

100%, i realized it when i was writing the examples, and the example you gave me is another very good one, you can indeed find effeminate/weak persons who are “tough motherf*ckers”, i didn’t give enough thought behind what “internally strong” may mean, and it also depends on the situation, it’s not because you’re weak or ugly internally at one time of the time that you can’t act beautifully or strongly at another time.

I agree with you that it’s reductive to stop on two adjectives.

Well, it doesn’t come from me and i have a story and some good memories from it. But in a few words, i asked someone special(, ~9 years ago,) if he had a motto, and he told me that the masonic triangle is “Strength · Beauty · Wisdom”, i still haven’t checked if it’s true(, but discovered a few years later that it’s in the Kabbalah). It stayed in my mind and i naturally decided to apply it to men and women and divide it in internally//externally. Just to say that somewhere.
While reductive, i think it has a lot of truth in it.

I don’t see any reason to propagate just one way for men and one way for women.

Men have testosterone, have sexual fantasy when they touch women, and read comics when they imagine themselves fighting.
Women have estrogens, in their fantasy they imagine themselves being touched, and read romantic novels when they’re preparing themselves for the unavoidable desire they’ll attract.

Yeah, i’ll need to edit this message, if you’re reading this line give me 30-40mn i want to do something first.

Not that i care but i’m sure that your comment made sense in your mind, would you mind sharing it with me ?

Do you interpret relieving your emotions by crying as being weak ?

Yeah, obviously, would you say that it’s a sign of strength ?

Or perhaps feeling emotions as being weak ?

“Emotion” is a vague term. Some emotions like bravery(, often a borderline foolishness,) are assimilated with strength. Some emotions like the feeling of defeat, self-pity, the lack of resilience, the fear of authority/punishment that makes you betray others/ideals, that’s weak. Always interesting to see how Chelsea Manning is stronger than a lot of men in this regard. Men love to fight, so kinda appreciate to be hurt in a way, and are proud of their scars.
Some emotions are beautiful, such as the one expressed in poetry, others are ugly and you don’t need examples to get what i mean.

It’s easier to exclude men from external beauty and women from external strength than it is to exclude them from internal beauty and strength, respectively.

And do you find women more flawed, because they’re physically weaker than men ?

We have our qualities and flaws, some women are stronger than some men and some men are more beautiful( inside&outside) than women, and it’s reductive to stop at these two adjectives, as well as obviously erroneous to draw conclusion on an individual from generalities.
Here’s what i answered to a previous comment if you’re interested :
Admittedly, beauty is more useful in times of peace than strength, if i count the benefits(, women can give birth and that’s the most important thing in Nature), women have more of them than men, but if we can keep some of our qualities i won’t say no.

Why would it be better if there were no distinction between men and women ? Or between countries, or citizens ?
What’s the use of showing your vulnerability, is that something that others like to see ? And it’s not difficult, what’s difficult is to take upon yourself and desire the struggle.
We’re men, alike rocks, people/life hit us and we don’t move, this has advantages and inconvenients, we generally appreciate women’s sensibility, and i suppose that most of them appreciate to be able to rely on men when they’re needed.
Admittedly, beauty is more useful in times of peace than strength, if i count the benefits(, women can give birth and that’s the most important thing in Nature), women have more of them than men, but if we can keep some of our qualities i won’t say ‘no’.

That’s how things are in general.
Diversity is good, but cry if you want to, i won’t support weakness on my part, and i will keep being annoyed if i encounter a weak man(, just as women may be annoyed by “ugly” women, i.d.k.).

Lol no, you can be both, and both can be wise/smart, etc.
But in general, women are more beautiful than men and men are stronger than women, perhaps that people nowadays see egality as uniformity, i.d.k.
But weakness(, inside and outside,) is a flaw/defect, as is (internal&external )ugliness, and other flaws.

As a general “rule” : women are beautiful(inside&outside), while men are strong(inside&outside).
Promoting weak men is a mistake in my opinion.

If Good actions → Paradise
Then Indulgences -(Enables the Church to do)→Good actions → Paradise

Don’t believe that people in the past accepted things without questioning them.

Thanks for the explanation, but since you, along with mathematics, agree that there’s a surface, there should be a normal/perpendicular, and you can get more or less close to that surface, i guess i just can’t wrap my head around it, it’d mean that the hypersphere is on both sides of its surface ?
I’ve read elsewhere that the universe would be this (hyper)surface, i wonder what the surface of a 5d-sphere would look like then.

Yep, just read some stuff on Quora about 4D spheres, and still don’t get it 🤷‍♂️
You have an edge on the Earth, both above and below, i can’t imagine the material part of the All circling upon itself, how would you visualise from outside ?
I still see an edge with an hypersphere, well, w/e, thanks for the answer anyway :) !

Although “commonly accepted” may be pushing it, i can’t imagine a finite universe(, i.e., ‘with a positive curvature’/spherical), with the old question : what happens at the edge if i push it with a stick ?
(I.i.r.c., the answer is that the edge is expanding faster than the speed of light or sthg)

(And, kinda unrelated, fractal universes piling upon each other may make sense)

Have a look at lemmit.online, it copies reddit’s content through a bot and deserves to be more known.

And i would prefer if Lemmy was the number one social media in terms of usage, i hope that it’s @dessalines goal if it’s not yours, once again you would just have to block the bot if you don’t desire to have more content. Thanks for the chat.

That’s the only thing worrying me, yes, but since lemmit did it… i.d.k. Thanks for the comment !

If you prefer that Lemmy stays small and eventually dies because of a lack of content then it’s your problem, don’t make it mine.
Only people subscribed to these communities will see these posts, except in the local feed if your instance hasn’t defederated with lemmit.
If there’s only one bot who mentions in his posts that you can block him, then your issue is solved as well as mine, and Lemmy will become as attractive as Reddit. Can’t believe your opinion has so much support, it’s like you’d prefer Lemmy to stay insignificant.

Yep that’s what i’m currently doing with mapporn, it’s easier with a computer, i’m glad to have found out this bot exists(, or existed until 3 days ago, don’t yet know how it’ll turn out).

For you perhaps, but for me it’s the lack of content/communities that make Lemmy inferior. Just block this bot if you don’t want to see it on your instance, and the userbase as a whole will be satisfied :)

The latter
But thanks, i didn’t know about lemmit even if i read about the different instances before, it’s still a bit hard to find communities of interest(, but not anymore than with reddit, youtube, twitter, facebook, discord, etc ). I’ve subscribed to their TIL but the search function for Sync or Jerboa aren’t very informative.

If a spam is defined as the o.p. not interacting then yes that’d be a spam, but most people are here for the picture or the information, it shouldn’t be a debate that reddit’s content is more or less the only thing making them superior to Lemmy, the userbase comes afterwards. That’d be an undeniable improvement, we wouldn’t “lose” anything anymore by coming over to Lemmy.
And thanks for the advice, i subscribed to TIL, that was exactly what i was looking for, but there’s not a lot of subreddits(, edit : on the contrary, there’s a lot of them, more visible on a computer, but if you’re reading this comment and are interested, as a reminder you may have forgotten that you can still subscribe to communities belonging to instances your own instance has defederated with, it fortunately has zero impact, only on the local feed).

So, that’s legal apparently.

Do you remember their names ?
If people loved the content on reddit then they would continue to love it on Lemmy, it’d be the same posts, not anymore of a spam here than there, that’s not a decisive counter-argument for me but thanks for the reply :)