I’m not a metal fan and I’m not attempting to gate keep. As an outsider, it is interesting how many many many popular metal bands fit the expectation and yet a few do not fit that expectation.
Gotcha. There’s a LOT of gatekeeping in the metal community, from band to band, and from genre to genre. Some of the names are pretty funny, yeah, and that’s part of what some people use as an attempt to gatekeep.
No, gatekeepers suck. Let people enjoy their things, them enjoying it doesn’t somehow rob your ability to enjoy it. Look at it this way, everyone was a new fan who didn’t know but the band’s 3 most popular songs. Maybe instead of shitting on them, recommend some cool songs based on what they already like? Explain some of the meaning in their music? Do literally anything but “NOT METAL!” or “NOT A REAL FAN!”
Cultures assimilate, grab ideas from each other, and split off into their own new things. It’s how humans have always worked. There’s no problem with it, if it’s not done with malice or ignorance. This is how we get fun, new sounds, fun, new ideas, and it doesn’t kill anything you love.
They’re directly spun off from metal often. That’s why they’re called subgenres.
Cultures can’t decide things, they aren’t entities of themselves. They’re collectives of people. By simply existing within the metal culture and literally any other culture, you are effectively assimilating, bringing in new ideas and perspectives. Unless your culture is literally only ever interacting with themselves. Which sounds pretty fucking bland.
What even is just “metal” anyway? It’s kind of a useless term on its own. It’s an umbrella, and all you’re deciding at this point is what that umbrella does and doesn’t include. Is Ozzy metal? Iron maiden? Metallica, slayer, Megadeth, anthrax? They all use metal in their name. They all sound distinctly metal, but they’re also completely different sounds, from completely different subgenres that to say they’re the same is ridiculous. And at the same time you show me one person who doesn’t identify one of them as metal, and I’ll show you someone who’s wrong.
There’s nothing to defend though. You’re walling in this beautiful culture that, if given half an opportunity, most of the people being gate kept would likely grow to love and introduce their own new, unique twists on the things already here. That’s a good thing last I checked. Only creation, no destruction.
The reason I bring up different metal groups and genres is that it’s basically the entire argument. There’s no distinction besides an arbitrary one. There’s no unified, defining force saying “ok this is metal, period.” There are some INCREDIBLY broad musical characteristics that “may” be heard in metal. Metal is like lewd - I’ll know it when I see it.
agree to disagree. good things half these bands arent even metal. People who know nothing about something speaking on it with authority sucks. doubt you guys even go to shows but you guys know lol
Do you feel better now? If you are going to shows for these bands you’ll never see me, im at the metal and punk shows. Enjoy the butt rock I’m happy for u
We got a gatekeeper here folks!
I’m not a metal fan and I’m not attempting to gate keep. As an outsider, it is interesting how many many many popular metal bands fit the expectation and yet a few do not fit that expectation.
Gotcha. There’s a LOT of gatekeeping in the metal community, from band to band, and from genre to genre. Some of the names are pretty funny, yeah, and that’s part of what some people use as an attempt to gatekeep.
gatekeepers are good they protect that scenes culture from dumb ass “normies” who want to repurpose it.
No, gatekeepers suck. Let people enjoy their things, them enjoying it doesn’t somehow rob your ability to enjoy it. Look at it this way, everyone was a new fan who didn’t know but the band’s 3 most popular songs. Maybe instead of shitting on them, recommend some cool songs based on what they already like? Explain some of the meaning in their music? Do literally anything but “NOT METAL!” or “NOT A REAL FAN!”
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Cultures assimilate, grab ideas from each other, and split off into their own new things. It’s how humans have always worked. There’s no problem with it, if it’s not done with malice or ignorance. This is how we get fun, new sounds, fun, new ideas, and it doesn’t kill anything you love.
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They’re directly spun off from metal often. That’s why they’re called subgenres.
Cultures can’t decide things, they aren’t entities of themselves. They’re collectives of people. By simply existing within the metal culture and literally any other culture, you are effectively assimilating, bringing in new ideas and perspectives. Unless your culture is literally only ever interacting with themselves. Which sounds pretty fucking bland.
What even is just “metal” anyway? It’s kind of a useless term on its own. It’s an umbrella, and all you’re deciding at this point is what that umbrella does and doesn’t include. Is Ozzy metal? Iron maiden? Metallica, slayer, Megadeth, anthrax? They all use metal in their name. They all sound distinctly metal, but they’re also completely different sounds, from completely different subgenres that to say they’re the same is ridiculous. And at the same time you show me one person who doesn’t identify one of them as metal, and I’ll show you someone who’s wrong.
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There’s nothing to defend though. You’re walling in this beautiful culture that, if given half an opportunity, most of the people being gate kept would likely grow to love and introduce their own new, unique twists on the things already here. That’s a good thing last I checked. Only creation, no destruction.
The reason I bring up different metal groups and genres is that it’s basically the entire argument. There’s no distinction besides an arbitrary one. There’s no unified, defining force saying “ok this is metal, period.” There are some INCREDIBLY broad musical characteristics that “may” be heard in metal. Metal is like lewd - I’ll know it when I see it.
agree to disagree. good things half these bands arent even metal. People who know nothing about something speaking on it with authority sucks. doubt you guys even go to shows but you guys know lol
Glad I’ve never met anyone like you at a show rofl. You lot are miserable.
Do you feel better now? If you are going to shows for these bands you’ll never see me, im at the metal and punk shows. Enjoy the butt rock I’m happy for u
Doesn’t that imply every cultural collision, including the ones that created metal, are bad and should be reversed?
See you at lute practice, bro. I don’t what to hear any of that Bach garbage. It’s not even music.