sure, im not saying blindly trust people in all situations. but distrust should be exceptional, not normal.

and your heart could fail at any moment randomly. doesnt make it rational to design your whole life around it. Yes people can betray your trust, but again and again and again it’s been shown that people dont betray eachother far far more often than they do. Also, if you’re big on Logic™️, lying only works if the vast majority of communication is truthful.

the sort of logic that’s fundamentally irrational.

they’ll find a use case any day now for realsies.

and now neural networks are suddenly the preposterous advance? Nonsense.

voice generators and generative ai are built with the intent of replacing artists, your incredibly reductive “history lesson” funnily illustrates only situations distinct from the current situation and you gloss over making any specific claims about the technology, just broad vagary about the trajectories of technological advancement. I dont think you are equipped to discuss this topic honestly.

luddites are corporate propaganda

??? actually just a plainly absurd statement. this isnt even worth responding to it’s so absurdly incorrect.

Yes yes ubi, but “technological labor amplification” in this case is driving human artists out of the market. make specific claims, quit hiding behind vague generalizations about automation. it’s a waste of everyone’s time and terminates your train of thought before you get to something relevant.

We can discuss further if you make an effort to understand this topic, but so far you are just speaking largely in cliches that arent worth responding to and arent worth your time writing.

Do you genuinely actually believe automation like llm or voice gen are being developed to free you from work? Nonsense. It’s meant to drive the relative value of your labor into the ground so that everyone can be paid less. you see it literally here, a career set you are simply saying shouldnt exist because a corporation can do it without a human getting economic benefit. You should read about the history of the luddites.

The only blind ones here are those who uncritically accept corporate propaganda about technology and walk stupified towards the facade of a sci fi utopia. if you are going to claim that rejection of losing human artists as the barely viable profession it is is blind, at least put the effort in. Dont walk in and go “just like carriages lol” and try considering the issue for longer.

“it’s innovation” and so is letal injection. this is hyperbole to quickly demonstrate to you that technology is not absent ethical considerations.

Animal husbandry is the general term and longstanding one for the craft and profession of rearing, training, and yes breeding, non-human animals. this whole argument could have been resolved in 2 seconds with a web search.

also, meekly accepting technology and automation as some impassive unguided thing outside of control or ethics is nonsense. that is why you are being told you are repeating corporate propoganda – you are.

my friend, think this through. if they can move stuff off tables, if cameras can record them, if humans can see them, if they create chills… these are all measurable, tangible, things. if your explanation of ghosts requires that they be immaterial and incapable of affecting reality in any way, then that’s trivial and inane. We have ways to measure all of these things. these are all examples of measurements, in fact! positing we dont know the fundamental force that ghosts interact with so we cant measure it doesnt make sense. Literally, it is not cogent.

our sensory capabilities are probably better than you think, and, among other things, that doesnt make any sense anyway. if they can tangibly interact with the world in any way, such as a human noticing them, knocking stuff off tables, showing up on videos… there is really no scenario where this logic works, and while toxicity isnt nice, the argument presented is wrong in humorous ways.

based on the screenshot, it does not seem to include a buffer, and is unlikely to imo because that requires taking a stance on the size of that buffer.

if you eat the recommended amount of protein (and a little extra as a buffer) then you would not notice any particularly striking change, but statistically your quality of life will improve for myriad subtle reasons. Hormone production will be more stable, you will be less likely to get diseases associated with protein deficiency, you will build muscle slightly more easily, your brain will technically function slightly better in subtle metabolic ways, as with all your other organs. etc. You will likely, not notice any of it. But across your life it will statistically make a difference in your health outcomes. this is true of all phytonutrients, not just protein.

just use the better libre office. you dont need to pay a price of admission at all. so silly. “i take pot hole ridden toll roads instead of the tax paid ones, because that’s just the price of admission yaknow.” ???

i am confident that everyone in this discussion understands technically what is happening. the contention is, for reasons i cannot comprehend, that apparently “connects to and cannot function without the internet” is somehow the same as “offline”.

music has things that can be described mathematically in ways that are largely historical, but not axiomatic in a math sense. but if learning music helps you learn math and/or visa versa, power to you.

jailbreaks actually are relevant with the use of llm for anything with i/o, such as “automated administrative assistants”. hide jailbreaks in a webpage and you have a lot of vectors for malware or social engineering, broadly hacking. as well as things like extracting controlled information.

an arms race for what? more efficient slop? most of their value comes from the expected exclusivity - that say openai is the only one who can run something like o1. deepseek has made that collapse. i doubt they will stop doing stuff, but i dont think you understand the nature of the situation here.

also lol, “performs well in synthetic tests it was optimized to score well in” yes that literally describes every llm. Make no mistake: none of this has a real use case. not deepseek’s model, not openai’s, not apples, etc. this is all nonsense, literally. the stock market lost 2 trillion dollars overnight because something that doesnt have a use case was one upped by something else that also doesnt have a use case. it’s very funny.

tech has been subsidizing ai costs by magnitudes for years trying to make fetch happen, slop is slop. it’s overvalued like crazy and the first hint of market competition has drained trillions from the stocks because it’s an overvalued bubble. if china can do that by releasing competition then ok. maybe we should all be putting these trillions in things actually useful to humans.

without linking to examples or analyses this is unhelpful.

this is a much better response to the arguments in general, yes, good.