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  • A good place to start might be a book like ‘Autocracy, Inc.’ by Anne Applebaum. Unrelated to this but her book on the Holodomor, ‘Red Famine,’ is amazing too. She’s an expert on modern authoritarianism. The book’s about autocrats in general but deals a lot with disinformation and propaganda. It’ll give you a pretty high level view of who those people are, what their goals are, and how disinformation fits into their strategies. A big part of recognizing disinfo is being able to evaluate whose interests a piece of (dis)info might serve.

    You’ll find a lot of books about Russian disinformation because Russia has been the most active, the most ambitious, and the most successful at weaponizing propaganda. I’d look for books written by academics but who are writing for a popular audience. ‘Active Measures’ by Thomas Rid is an example. That book in particular goes into the origin of disinformation in the Soviet Union (the term was actually coined by Stalin) and how it carried over into modern Russia. Russia’s a good starting point too because everyone else has copied them like crazy – although they’re now openly collaborating, Republicans are stealing from this playbook.

    Bellingcat is good resource to get into the anatomy of disinformation networks and operations. They’re the gold standard in open source investigations and have uncovered some insane shit – disinfo networks, Russia downing MH17, a network of Russian illegals (like in ‘The Americans’). Reports like this one are extremely detailed and get into the nuts and bolts of how propaganda networks are structured and how information passes through them. Their ability to track down spies using the Russian equivalent of door dash is internet MacGyver shit too.

    Caroline Orr Bueno is a disinformation researcher whose newsletter Weaponized Spaces also dives pretty deep into disinformation networks, often tracing it back to a single point of origin. She links to a lot of great resources and is super accessible. She’s also awesome. I assume she’s moved on to bsky but she used to be on Mastodon and would answer any questions you had about her work. Good person!











  • No, you’re conflating privacy and espionage.

    I’m not moving the goal posts. The order for China to divest is about espionage. The ban stemming from their refusal to divest is about espionage. Your privacy law doesn’t solve this problem because it’s not a privacy problem, it’s an espionage problem.

    To take your murder example, it’s like saying ‘I don’t see why everyone’s so worked up about China coming here and shooting people. People get shot here every day and the army doesn’t get involved!’ Despite sharing some details, domestic gun violence and war are different. You’re focusing on the trees and missing the forest.

    🙂 perfect is the enemy of good

    I’m not opposed to your proposed law. I’d support the hell out of it. It would solve other important problems, even if it wouldn’t solve this one. But saying that a country can’t do anything about espionage unless they pass that law is unrealistic.


  • You’re conflating privacy and espionage. The reason basically every country in the world has laws about foreign ownership of media and telecommunications infrastructure is not because of privacy concerns – it’s because of the potential for espionage. That fanciful law with no chance of passing in the US (even if it should!) would reduce but not eliminate the problem. It’s illegal for China to operate weird little secret police stations in foreign countries to threaten, intimidate, and control the Chinese diaspora, but that hasn’t stopped them from doing it. Having them control powerful monitoring and tracking tools doesn’t make it harder. They are very capable of surreptitiously doing shit they shouldn’t.