• 001100 010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Trains only run on a specified track and there isn’t one near me. A car isn’t bound by a track and can go anywhere.

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        But that’s a certain level of naivete. I’ve lived in Europe and in the Western US, and for people who have lived in urban or suburban situations their whole lives, they simply can’t comprehend the vast tracts of land that exist in most of the US. Public transport isn’t viable when your nearest neighbor is at least five acres away.

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          Well yes, if you live in the middle of nowhere with literally no one else nearby, then public transport obviously doesn’t make sense. But that’s not where most people live.

          A large part of the population in the US doesn’t have access to public transport not because it wouldn’t be viable, but because car-centric infrastructure was built instead. And often better designed cities were bulldozed to make room for it.

          I was also going to recommend the Not Just Bikes video @Katana314@lemmy.world linked, definitely check it out!

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            True, but a lot of US real estate, even in big cities, started out agricultural. Those underpinnings are still affecting them today, given that they are less than 300 years old. They just don’t have the history of being piled on top of each other that Europe has. The original American inhabitants didn’t have the infrastructure Europe has had since the Romans, even if their population HAD been so concentrated.

            The U.S population density is less than half that of Europe, even today.

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          Please. I have gone to Italy and seen far vaster landscapes in the mountainous areas than I’ve ever been cognizant of in the United States. And yes, I saw these locations from the window of a bus taking the highway system. The key thing is, people are not going to those far-out locations frequently. Actual transit problem-solving relates to the broad majority of the use cases people have, not about abstractly going to a pin thrown on a map.

          NJB summarizes why this argument is dumb better than I do.

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      Trains could have intercity connections. Walk/bus to the train, ride the train, walk/bus to your destination.

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        I have metro+train and it already wears me out so much that alI arrive at the office tired. I can’t imagine how I would survive through 3 different transit options twice a day

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          I do the same and if anything, it just helps me wake up or wind down after a long day. Out of pure curiosity, how does it wear you out?

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            I don’t know, I could not even imagine the transit switch to be not overwhelming, it’s just way too many changes for me in a short span of time, like too many tasks. go down, wait for metro, try to not miss the stop, get up on escalator, go to platform, wait there, it’s just sucking out energy out of me, if I spent all that time just sitting on the train yes I unwind and I love it but dragging my laptop around and standing and waiting and having to concentrate instead of getting into the flow is disruptive for me. Plus I feel like underground is super dark and dirty and on the bus I get nauseous from so many braking and stopping and all the vibrating from the road

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              I’m sure you’re aware part of that anxiety can come from the unfamiliarity. I’m surprised it doesn’t end up being compared to the stress of merging from an on-ramp in a car, or watching crosswalks for pedestrians, or even just backing out of a driveway in some people’s cases.

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                100% anxiety from unfamiliarity. My last job had me flying over the US (terrible but it was for a renewable energy company and I was part of the Ops team). The first trip, I missed my flight, on which was my overnight bag.

                But from that first flight, I knew exactly what to do, where to go, and when to do it.

                If people take time to learn these systems over time, then these fears go away. Just takes courage to learn something new

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        Sure buddy, spend a few hours hopping public transport each day is so much fun.

        Cars are superior in every single way, it’s paupers that cry out of jealousy we’re seeing here.

        They know cars aren’t the problem, there are industries out there that spew out the equivalent of millions of cars but they don’t bitch about that.

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          hmmm, do I want to sit in a train, flip my laptop open and do some work, then walk through a park to the office for today… Or do I want to sit in traffic and do nothing…

          Tough choice there

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              Work time starts when I open the laptop. I’m not volunteering that time, since i’m not completely insane. It makes a huge difference whether my workday starts in the office, or in the train.

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            You’re right. It’s been raining all day today with a forecast of thunderstorms, I absolutely want to sit in a warm, dry box and not walk through the park :p

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            I’m gonna be real, I’d 100% rather sit in traffic. It’s somewhat relaxing to me.

            I hate this trend that we need to be working all the time, even during our commute.

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              To each their own. I prefer 2 hours of working in the train and 6 in the office to traveling for 2 hours and working 8 hours in the office

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              To each their own. I prefer 2 hours of working in the train and 6 in the office to traveling for 2 hours and working 8 hours in the office

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          Those industries don’t pump out their emissions in my city for me to breathe in, nor do they threaten to maim or kill me on a regular basis.

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      Thats not really true and you know it. Cars are like trains, limited mostly to paved roads that need to by built.

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        Are you seriously trying to tell OP that he’s lying about not living near a train? Or are you trying to say that the part about them running on a fixed track isn’t true? Either way, this is a really dumb take.

        Also, you clearly haven’t been to rural areas, where dirt and gravel roads are common. Cars handle those just fine.

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        But those roads are far more numerous and further reaching than train tracks. Trains go from a to b. Cars can go which ever route you want. And you don’t build train tracks around a house.

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          Thats not true also. Rails have junctions that alow switching tracks and work like a normal road. The reason theres more roads is irelevante as it depends on investment. Some places invested more into roads and others did in rail. Check out old rail maps on the US