The mod banning these users is the same mod who made the posts they downvoted. This is mod abuse, turning the downvote button into an auto-self-ban button.

The message is “If you disagree with me, you will be banned”

Monitoring and banning users for using lemmy as intended to signal boost your opinion should be grounds to have all mod privileges removed. This behaviour undermines the integrity of the server and the wider fediverse.

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    5 days ago

    Yeah, I mean it depends - doesn’t it? If someone is expressing a text-based opinion post you dislike, I can see that. If you think the articles source is corrosive - I can see that. If you think its off-topic, I can see that.

    But supposing someone found a metal music community, and downvoted everything there because they don’t like metal - would that be reasonable?

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      Your position is reasonable if down votes are suppressive, but I wouldn’t develop a content algorithm that treated them as such.

      I would use an “engagement” algorithm. Upvoting increases engagement, commenting increases engagement, down voting increases engagement, reporting increases engagement. The viewing time - the time between initially accessing it and viewing a new page - increases engagement.

      The most suppressive thing you can do to a piece of content is click away in less than 20 seconds.

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          Depends on how exactly it’s implemented, sure. That obviously isn’t the result I’d be looking for.

          My point, though, is only that a “downvote” need not mean “hide this kind of post away from the general public”. A downvote can mean something more like “This pissed me off and more people should read it.”

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      That probably wouldn’t and would obviously be vote manipulation. This situation is pretty rare and is ignored, like on YouTube, because people get bored and most people wont go out of their way to do this

      Problem is: Lemmy’s algorithm is shit and doesn’t learn from our preferences. If it did, we would see less posts that we dislike

      People just can’t stand being disliked. Should we ban people disliking crypto posts? Because damn most of my posts are disliked based on people hating and spreading lies about crypto just because they dislike it

      People looking for stuff will find it if they want to, no matter the amount of dislikes

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        Problem is: Lemmy’s algorithm is shit and doesn’t learn from our preferences. If it did, we would see less posts that we dislike

        Piefed has keyword filters that can help with that issue.

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            I filtered “musk”, “trump”, reduced the amount of US politics post tremendously

            I might add “kirk” at some point, depending how much it’s still discussed in the coming weeks

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              great way to avoid the drama, but there’s a risk of false positives

              I guess you don’t mind it, probably not losing anything of value

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                I don’t even live in the US, so indeed the risk of missing something relevant to me is quite low

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        That probably wouldn’t and would obviously be vote manipulation. This situation is pretty rare and is ignored, like on YouTube, because people get bored and most people wont go out of their way to do this

        Absolutely, it is rare. But people do it. As I’ve said before, I banned 5 people on the original !television@lemm.ee instance for just downvoting posts repeatedly. No pattern. None of the accounts were active on the community in terms of posting. Some of the accounts had never even posted on the fediverse - they were simply downvote accounts that purely existed to vote negatively on content.

        Problem is: Lemmy’s algorithm is shit and doesn’t learn from our preferences. If it did, we would see less posts that we dislike

        Piefed has much more control here. People can easily just block communities though.