I really don’t get the fawning over PIC season 3. It was bad. I’d love to see more of Ryan in a new series, but only if they recruit writers on par with SNW and lose the phone numbers of those who did PIC.
It wasn’t great, but it was notably better than season 2 in that it actually felt like a season of a show with some thought put into some kind of continuity. Season 2 was a huge clusterfuck of awful
I would argue that even if season two’s ambitions exceeded it’s execution, at least it was trying to do something. Still not a season of Trek that I think deserves any real regard, but it did add something new and interesting to the fabric of Trek. And maybe at some point some comic book or novel will actually do something interesting with that thing, because I can’t imagine we’re ever actually going to see it revisited on screen.
Season three was exactly the dark, cynical mess that everyone complained season one was because Admiral Clancy cursed at their space dad. Jack Crusher is the infallible, ultra special badass everyone accuses Michael Burnham of being. Season three is ideas I would expect to find in someone’s first attempt at writing fanfic, not the work of seasoned television professionals.
And, to be fair, both seasons two and three were made by the same people, so the fact that neither of them were particularly good should not be shocking to anyone.
It was… Okay. Better then the first 2 seasons of Pic by a mile at least. If it was just the first 5 or so episodes I might even call it good. Yeah it was big, dumb, and loud, but it was also full of nostalgia bait, some of which admittedly did resonate with me. The bar was just so low after the TNG movies and first two season of PIC that traumatized fans were happy to have a seemingly final sendoff that wasn’t completely terrible.
The bar was just so low after the TNG movies and first two season of PIC that traumatized fans were happy to have a seemingly final sendoff that wasn’t completely terrible.
“Traumatized?” We are talking about a television show, right?
were particularly upsetting for me, personally (especially the graphic nature of the latter). PIC S1 had way too much “let’s kill people for no good reason” events.
I’d be perfectly happy if the dead PIC characters just showed up alive and well in a later show, no reason given. (They already did this with Q, right?)
No and no. I was disappointed and a bit upset, but not traumatized. Though if someone told me that the beginning of S1E5 was traumatic for them, I’d believe it.
I do believe people when they say they enjoy S3. Even though the story was just a bunch of reheated plot elements from other Treks, there is some joy to be had viewing it as a TNG reunion special. It’s “Return to Mayberry” to the tune of BSG 2003, nothing more and nothing less.
(In contrast, Star Trek IV is the best TV reunion special ever made. Everyone’s playing an exaggerated version of their 1960’s personas and having a blast. It too is a bunch of reheated plot elements - the probe is awfully similar to Nomad and V’Ger at first glance, and “let’s time travel to insert current year” was already the plot of two different TOS episodes. I’m trying to think of how a hypothetical good Picard season could’ve tapped into the same energy that STIV did.)
I really don’t get the fawning over PIC season 3. It was bad. I’d love to see more of Ryan in a new series, but only if they recruit writers on par with SNW and lose the phone numbers of those who did PIC.
Yeah, I can’t wrap my head around it either. Easily the worst, most self indulgent season of Trek in my opinion.
But it had the TNG crew back aboard the Enterprise D so for a lot of people it’s hitting the nostalgia button.
It wasn’t great, but it was notably better than season 2 in that it actually felt like a season of a show with some thought put into some kind of continuity. Season 2 was a huge clusterfuck of awful
I would argue that even if season two’s ambitions exceeded it’s execution, at least it was trying to do something. Still not a season of Trek that I think deserves any real regard, but it did add something new and interesting to the fabric of Trek. And maybe at some point some comic book or novel will actually do something interesting with that thing, because I can’t imagine we’re ever actually going to see it revisited on screen.
Season three was exactly the dark, cynical mess that everyone complained season one was because Admiral Clancy cursed at their space dad. Jack Crusher is the infallible, ultra special badass everyone accuses Michael Burnham of being. Season three is ideas I would expect to find in someone’s first attempt at writing fanfic, not the work of seasoned television professionals.
And, to be fair, both seasons two and three were made by the same people, so the fact that neither of them were particularly good should not be shocking to anyone.
It was… Okay. Better then the first 2 seasons of Pic by a mile at least. If it was just the first 5 or so episodes I might even call it good. Yeah it was big, dumb, and loud, but it was also full of nostalgia bait, some of which admittedly did resonate with me. The bar was just so low after the TNG movies and first two season of PIC that traumatized fans were happy to have a seemingly final sendoff that wasn’t completely terrible.
“Traumatized?” We are talking about a television show, right?
We are using hyperboles to make communication more fun.
The deaths of
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Hugh and Icheb
were particularly upsetting for me, personally (especially the graphic nature of the latter). PIC S1 had way too much “let’s kill people for no good reason” events.
I’d be perfectly happy if the dead PIC characters just showed up alive and well in a later show, no reason given. (They already did this with Q, right?)
Fair, PIC did have some pretty rugged moments.
But would you say you actually experienced trauma watching season one, and then that trauma was alleviated watching season three?
No and no. I was disappointed and a bit upset, but not traumatized. Though if someone told me that the beginning of S1E5 was traumatic for them, I’d believe it.
I do believe people when they say they enjoy S3. Even though the story was just a bunch of reheated plot elements from other Treks, there is some joy to be had viewing it as a TNG reunion special. It’s “Return to Mayberry” to the tune of BSG 2003, nothing more and nothing less.
(In contrast, Star Trek IV is the best TV reunion special ever made. Everyone’s playing an exaggerated version of their 1960’s personas and having a blast. It too is a bunch of reheated plot elements - the probe is awfully similar to Nomad and V’Ger at first glance, and “let’s time travel to insert current year” was already the plot of two different TOS episodes. I’m trying to think of how a hypothetical good Picard season could’ve tapped into the same energy that STIV did.)
Indeed but it was unapologetic fan service towards the end.
I barely got through S1. Terrible show.
Jeri has aged like a fine wine, but I’m not so desperate for TNG nostalgia that I’ll watch fat Data.