Not everyone thinks this, but I know an extreme right-winger who thinks this. He is also a conspiracy theorist who thinks non-white people are out to get white people so, yeah, odd.

Not every immigrant is illegal or bad. I know a girl who didn’t speak English for 3 years when her family legally immigrated, so of course she’s been told this.

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    The answer to your question is right in your question.

    “Logic”

    Cold, hard logic no longer applies. Reality is manufactured now. Pointing out a logical fallacy doesn’t change anyone’s mind if that logic doesn’t coincide with their ideology.

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      1. Not all US cirizens feel this way. Convict47 won by 1.5%, with 19 million less voters Thant the previous time. Voter suppression won this election.
      2. And for the ones that feel this way, you’ve got it absolutely right, plain old ignorant racism.
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    “Shouldn’t that logic apply to…”

    One must remember that people aren’t logical. They’re hypocritical and willfully ignorant.

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    American fascism doesn’t care what’s true or what’s right. It cares only to kill and enslave people who are “undesirable”

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    Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist. In my experience, if you reply with yeah this is a problem we need to change how it works so people arent forced to do illegal things, they will tell they just dont want them here. Its not about coming in illegally its about non white people coming here. We really need reform. Your friend is on very sad and dangerous path.

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      Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist.

      It feels like the percentages are the other way around.

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        Eh I feel like its harder to find a racist than it is to find a dummy. Most people just dont understand why they are doing so bad at life so they need someone to blame

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    Remember, everyone is a hypocrite. The USA is a melting pot of so many different peoples with about 250 years of history as a nation. My working theory is that has led to a nation-wide identity crisis: who and what am I. They are intensely occupied with their origins because the only people who have been on the continent for millennia (Native Americans) were brutally reduced and are the only ones who know their roots with higher certainty.
    It’s why many USAians will gladly call themselves “Italian”, “Indonesian”, or “African” without ever having set a foot in that country/continent, knowing next to nothing about it, being unable to speak or even identity a language from there, nor locate it on the map.

    Factor in their education system, “winner takes all” vote counting system which leads to tribalism, and media influence, human inability to think long term, and you end up with a large swathe of people who cannot reason logically about these things.

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    You assume logic is behind their reasoning, that’s where you went wrong

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    Short answer is “propaganda”. News agencies against immigration will pretty regularly swap between “illegal immigrants”, “immigrants”, and <insert current target race here> as if they’re practically interchangable to build whatever narrative they want, and also to slowly build an association between ‘people of <insert race>’, ‘being a drain on society’, and ‘being here illegally’ to get the average person to side with them.

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    Whats worse is that the current administration has stated that native Americans are not US citizens and indigenous communities are being hassled hard by ICE right now. I don’t know what their plan for native people eventually is but it won’t be good and it won’t be to just leave them out of this.

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        So are the vast majority of most Mexicans. Mexico is mostly a Native American country that has been a bit acculturated to Spanish culture. Their genes are mostly native, their food is mostly native, their name is native, and they even have a native Virgin Mary called the Virgin of Guadalupe that wears Mexican-style clothes. South Park did a bit on this where the women of South Park were getting “wise” advice from Native Americans, so it was highly regarded and sought out. Towards the end of the episode, the women of South Park found out that the advice was coming fro two Mexicans, so they got upset and disregarded it as crap.

        Fun fact: What is now the Southwestern US used to be part of Mexico which is why a lot of places there have Spanish names. It became US territory at the end of the Mexican-American War via the Treaty of Guadalupe.

        Fun fact 2: BBQ is Native American. The word comes from the Taino word barabicu.

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    those people are looking for something to hate. This is also why those kind of people are deadend for humanity. If they get rid of all immigrants they will find some other group to hate and after getting rid of those they will find another again until there are only 2 people that want to kill eachother, if you excuse the hyperbole.