What are they trying to stop with those bricks, small arms fire? Shouldn’t the metal plating already handle that? I would imagine they’re not using less than like, 3 gauge steel plate, so unless they’re using untreated steel I can’t see why they would be doing this from a logical point of view. Except maybe a very sad attempt at camouflage?
I mean, they can absorb some of the impact energy from small arms fire, but that’s kinda got me wondering why. Like, whats the point of a tank if you have to protect it from small arms fire? I get it with a helicopter or plane, which are actually very susceptible to small arms fire, but a tank is literally designed to be basically immune to small arms fire.
Their tanks are being used for dual purposes: getting stuck in mud and brick transport. Those bricks can also be used as paving stones so that their tanks get stuck in the mud a bit closer to their destination. But they are mainly meant for the rebuilding effort after the war.
Its like when the Red Army was handing out a single magazine to each soldier but a rifle to every 3rd soldier, telling the others “pick yours up off the floor.”
they’re trying to detonate incoming shaped charges early to prevent the formation of the jet of hot metal that sprays into the tank. these kinds of munitions work best on contact with the turret or hull - their explosive creates spalling, which is pretty much liquid metal fragments that bounce around the crew cabin, perforating mobliks and cooking off the ammunition.
I think maybe you’re confusing two different things?
HEAT is a shaped charge that explodes and compresses a thin layer of metal (usually copper I think) into a tiny superheated lance that is extremely good at piercing armor. There’s no spalling involved afaik.
HESH creates spalling by basically being a big explosive that moulds to the armor before exploding, and uses a quirk of how the force moves through the armor to make the armor on the inside break off and bounce around the tank- that’s spall.
I’m pretty sure just using bricks like this would be effective against both types of ammo, though.
Maybe I’m entirely wrong idk I’m just a nerd on the internet.
the metal a heat round jets into the cabin is made of the turret/hull it was in contact with. the liquid metal that bounces around inside is called spalling. Spall are fragments of a material that are broken off a larger solid body. It can be produced by a variety of mechanisms.
two different types of spalling effect, but the same thing overall.
I’m pretty sure neither type of attack would fail because of a few cm of brick - this is russian magic thinking. Am also nerd on internet, but prior service from an armor division. Tanks are some of the tastiest targets on a battlefield and advancements in RPG warhead designs were a constant source of discussion.
I kinda wish I could go back (the 49th AD doesn’t exist anymore but 1st Cav does) and hear what they’re thinking watching the battle damage analysis come through. Drones have changed the game so much.
What are they trying to stop with those bricks, small arms fire? Shouldn’t the metal plating already handle that? I would imagine they’re not using less than like, 3 gauge steel plate, so unless they’re using untreated steel I can’t see why they would be doing this from a logical point of view. Except maybe a very sad attempt at camouflage?
Adds weight. Runs out of fuel faster. Less likely to make it into range of the enemy.
Hey, that’s smart
I guess it’s a cheap version of reactive armor. i.e. it shatters on impact while absorbing/spreading most of the force.
Ceramic plates have been used in armor for almost a century now for this reason. Bricks are cheaper than mom’s fine china I guess.
To be credible for a second, nothing. These bricks will stop absolutely nothing.
I mean, they can absorb some of the impact energy from small arms fire, but that’s kinda got me wondering why. Like, whats the point of a tank if you have to protect it from small arms fire? I get it with a helicopter or plane, which are actually very susceptible to small arms fire, but a tank is literally designed to be basically immune to small arms fire.
Would this work against HESH rounds? A lot of British and Canadian equipment that has been sent to Ukraine uses those
I mean, I can’t imagine it’s that effective if it does work at all. But it might be the kernel of an idea that someone latched on to
everything works against HESH, that’s why it’s obsolete
Their tanks are being used for dual purposes: getting stuck in mud and brick transport. Those bricks can also be used as paving stones so that their tanks get stuck in the mud a bit closer to their destination. But they are mainly meant for the rebuilding effort after the war.
Its like when the Red Army was handing out a single magazine to each soldier but a rifle to every 3rd soldier, telling the others “pick yours up off the floor.”
The bricks are the ammo.
they’re trying to detonate incoming shaped charges early to prevent the formation of the jet of hot metal that sprays into the tank. these kinds of munitions work best on contact with the turret or hull - their explosive creates spalling, which is pretty much liquid metal fragments that bounce around the crew cabin, perforating mobliks and cooking off the ammunition.
I think maybe you’re confusing two different things?
HEAT is a shaped charge that explodes and compresses a thin layer of metal (usually copper I think) into a tiny superheated lance that is extremely good at piercing armor. There’s no spalling involved afaik.
HESH creates spalling by basically being a big explosive that moulds to the armor before exploding, and uses a quirk of how the force moves through the armor to make the armor on the inside break off and bounce around the tank- that’s spall.
I’m pretty sure just using bricks like this would be effective against both types of ammo, though.
Maybe I’m entirely wrong idk I’m just a nerd on the internet.
the metal a heat round jets into the cabin is made of the turret/hull it was in contact with. the liquid metal that bounces around inside is called spalling. Spall are fragments of a material that are broken off a larger solid body. It can be produced by a variety of mechanisms.
two different types of spalling effect, but the same thing overall.
I’m pretty sure neither type of attack would fail because of a few cm of brick - this is russian magic thinking. Am also nerd on internet, but prior service from an armor division. Tanks are some of the tastiest targets on a battlefield and advancements in RPG warhead designs were a constant source of discussion.
I kinda wish I could go back (the 49th AD doesn’t exist anymore but 1st Cav does) and hear what they’re thinking watching the battle damage analysis come through. Drones have changed the game so much.