• nuke@sh.itjust.worksM
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    “war for minor territory movement”

    This is a war for Ukraine’s survival. Ukraine doesn’t want Russian territory, they want their own land and people that were taken returned to them.

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      I mean the current situation of losses versus territorial change is quite questionable for both sides.

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        It’s not questionable at all, though. This operation has been a resounding success. Ukraine gained hundreds of POWs that can be used to exchange for their own people, they’re digging in and holding land and resources that can later be used during negotiations, and they’ve proven not just once but twice they are capable of sudden surprise attacks that can puncture Russian lines and take huge amounts of territory in a single sweep. That last fact alone will force Russia to recalculate their placements along the front line and move more troops to reinforce perceived weak points, taking focus away from elsewhere.

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          Thanks for explaing it so succintly for those that read after. I’ll add that this also expands the options avaliable to Ukraine in future combat fronts, pulling Russian attention and resources, and likely securing more current information on Russian troops. Not that Aurix will try to think about it or be convinced.

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          What if Putin just screams, “nukes nukes nukes!”? Should everyone immediately capitulate, thereby ensuring every other country in the world chases nukes for leverage?

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                Hasn’t he threatened to use nukes multiple times over the war already? Ignoring the threats generally worked out.

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                  His problem is nukes can only be used as a last resort when your country already has started to fall, otherwise you will trigger your own country to fall quite soon after (retaliation strikes, sanctions, fallout, riots, etc)

                  So nobody will take it as a serious threat in response to anything less than a major attack on the capital or equivalent.

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                OK, but I still don’t really get what this has to do with the original comment. I think it wasn’t really the right place to put this.

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            Using nukes is a cry for desperation by Putin, and that would look bad for him for the Russians and for the rest of the world.

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            He tried that, and it’s suspected USA sent him a picture of a nuke with the coordinates of his secreted bunker written on it, with “you die first” below