Idk who needs to hear this but:
Your children don’t owe you self assurance, if they chose to cut contact with you fully then that’s their right.
He’s not saying they have no right, he’s saying he’s sad they won’t come to thanksgiving. Pretty simple. You can say its justified sure, but it doesnt change his perspective any.
He never actually says, “I am sad.”
He says “It is sad” and that his daughters are mentally ill.
I simply disagree but we won’t really be able to follow up with the guy anyways.
No it’s not, he is trying to claim the moral high ground.
He’s looking for sympathy because he’s sad.
Slightly off topic:
When my parents divorced, I was bummed out that I had to attend two thanksgiving dinners. The second was not turkey. We charred hot dogs over an open fire (lived in the midwest at the time) and made smores. It was pretty great.
This had nothing to do with the election. It’s just a nice memory.
bummed out that I had to attend two thanksgiving dinners
I’m not skinny enough to understand this sentiment
“My kids don’t want to hang out with me after I dismissed their opinions as a mental disorder and the party I voted for tries to control their bodies! Why must I suffer? I didn’t do anything to them directly! These kids today are so unfaaaair!”
What a jackass.
I hope his kids have a great holiday. Good on them for standing up for their beliefs.
Shocking his three daughters don’t support a felon who publicly brags about sexually assaulting women and wanting to bang his daughter.
Wrong
You’re so cringe I already have you tagged from another comment you made lmao
Thanks for helping me find out about user tags, this is revolutionary
The block user button: “Look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power”
No way. I’d miss out on way too much free entertainment. Lemmy is full of dilusional takes.
Thanks
Right
“I let them”
Dudes showing internally he thinks he controls their votes. That he could’ve not let them had he chosen so.
So his daughters should be thankful for such a benevolent patriarch. /S
He clearly said in context “I let them vote in peace without objection or argument frome me”. Kind of like how I can either let your comment go or choose to respond without claiming to have control over you. The man is still ignorant AF though.
Your explanation is accurate, but your undercutting the importance of the statement. If you don’t have the power, then you don’t “let people” do anything.
Which is to say, he was contemplating being a giant a****** and pressuring them to vote the way he wanted, but he decided to use common sense, to not be a jerk, and now he’s asking for a prize for doing what most of us do all the time everyday.
This doesn’t make him a horrible human being, but it certainly doesn’t make him a good one. In his mind, special rules apply only to him.
You are contriving crap out of thin air here.
Well it’s kind of semantics. The symbolism behind this is not the hill you’d want to die on. Letting somebody do something can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it. I hate Trump and his low IQ followers, but that sentence does not imply anything.
can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it
Exactly.
When I go take a shit, did you allow it, or not disallow it? Neither, because you have no agency over me, so it’d be a stupid fucking sentence.
I’m not saying he thinks he owns his daughters like some 16th century inbred minor noble.
But connotations and implications can exist even when they weren’t particularly intentional by the writer (or speaker.)
I let you waste my time but somehow I’m implying I own you.
Sure buddy.
You’re welcome for not disallowing you to post this. I will also allow you to reply with something snarky if you like.
Sure buddy
Just to be clear; I let you say that. /s
I’m very thankful for that
It might be because this guy voted for trump, and that would be justifiable, but it’s more likely that it’s because they have made MAGA their entire personality. Their twitter feed is just a non stop bullshit feed filled with retweets from the usual suspects, there’s no self taken photos, no fun shitposts, nothing about hobbies or events they go to… just transphobia, bullshit and even praise towards Matt Gaetz ffs. Who would want to spend a dinner with someone like that.
I have a family member that doesn’t get this (thankfully just the one). It’s not that he voted for Trump, it’s all the shit he says. The casual “haha jk” racism when I introduced him to a Hispanic friend of mine. The fact that he will loudly talk about some things specifically to upset or annoy people. The fact that he thinks politics is a team sport and Trump’s win is a personal victory for him that somehow means he “beat” the rest of us.
“It’s not because you voted for Trump. It’s because you’re the kind of person who would vote for Trump.”
Some of them, I assume, are good people.
Yup, my family likely all voted for Trump, yet they all strongly dislike Trump, they just want to see the country move in a more fiscally conservative direction. Democrats don’t offer that, and Republicans give it enough lip service to convince them.
My family are absolutely good people, have LGBT friends and whatnot, and don’t care at all about “MAGA” crap.
It works on the other side too - e.g. “I’m vegan btw, and voting to restrict access to your ability to eat meat”.
The difference seems to be that there was no incentive for Putin to set vegans vs. meat eaters against one another, while he very much is getting a ton out of having set conservatives against liberals. Whatever way we choose to fight one another, he wins.
What party in the US wants to restrict access to meat?
It works on the other side too - e.g. “I’m vegan btw, and voting to restrict access to your ability to eat meat”.
Who’s doing this?
The difference seems to be that there was no incentive for Putin to set vegans vs. meat eaters against one another,
Oh, you sweet summer child.
Uh…who’s voting to restrict access to meat again? What rights are “the other side” trying to restrict?
“I openly voted against the interests of my own children and also openly claim they have a mental disorder for their views.”
Get fucked.
These people really are clueless. No appreciation at all for how their actions affect others. They get surprised when people stop putting themselves in harms way by simply not being around them.
Want your family back? Realize that what you think is some free speech populist revolution is just an excuse for a lot of people to be assholes and expect no consequences.
to be fair, democrats think voting for trump is a mental illness too.
not on anyone’s side here, just pointing out the hypocrisy
Hypocrisy is clutching your pearls and virtue signalling “Christian conservative values” while worshipping a “grab-em-by-the-pussy” false-profit who is the closest thing to the antichrist in living memory.
So yeah, only one of those groups has a literal mental illness, and they are also the hypocrites.
It’s not that Trumpism is a mental illness, more like you need to have a mental illness to be a Trump supporter.
this is no different than the right calling the left mentally ill.
both of you think you’re right, and I think the real answer is nobody is right.
“As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.”
The dictators claims that all of their political opponents are terrorists is not analogous or equally valid to the terrorized political opponents calling the dictator a terrorist. If you can’t comprehend how those two groups are different — the logical separation between the conman who lies about everything and terrorizes his opponents, and every group he chooses to terrorize — then you either have the mental illness, or are most at risk to the propaganda (and future mental illness).
Pro tip! Only a fascist opposes ANTI-FAscism.
Please re-read the last line I wrote.
There’s clearly more to this story. The simple fact that his username is “Conservative” indicates that he is one of those people that make their political ideology a major part of their identity.
This man is probably an insufferable ass.
Or he’s making it up.
I made my mother cry because she voted for Trump and I expressed my disapproval. She called my sister, who also voted for Harris, and my sister made her cry a second time.
We’re all having dinner tomorrow and we won’t bring up politics.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
I think my mom made a stupid decision. Oh well. She thinks I made a stupid decision.
If your politics define you so much that you abandon your people or you’re not disciplined enough to keep your mouth shut at family events where you’ll convince no one, that’s on you.
They bring it up and end up having a bad day, that’s on them. We simply agree to avoid politics and religion. It’s not that hard.
Edit: We’re doomed. We really are.
Unfortunately, my continued existence is labeled as “politics” so no, someone who voted against my rights to exist is not my family anymore.
The genders: male and political. The colours: white and political. The sexualities: straight and political.
Yet somehow the most common politician is straight white male.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics
It’s really not. Politics determine your opinions and intentions regarding human rights and its violations. If my dad votes for Robodolf Mechahitler, he’s not my dad anymore. Someone voting for Trump would likely betray their own daughter when Gilead rises. If they wouldn’t, their vote is a contradiction to their character. I wouldn’t take something like this lightly.
You know what we call Germans who disagreed with Hitler on some issues and yet still supported him?
Nazis.
Nobody cares, or will ever remember anything other than that.
I guarantee the same thing was happening back then, people cutting off their family members because they supported a fascist dictatorship
It’s absolutely not stupid to turn your back on family because of politics.
It’s not a sports team, it’s conscious decisions that affect the law and how we are governed.
You aren’t the voice of reason you think you are.
I guarantee the same exact shit was happening in the 1930s. People being disgusted that their family members would side with fascism and turn on mentally ill, Jewish, and gays.
Would you say the same thing about Germans turning on their family? Both leaders fought for turning their country into a fascist dictatorship best strips liberties from certain people only
One of my family members voted against my wife’s freedoms, he’s not family us anymore.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
Right? Which is why the person in the original post shouldn’t have voted for the guy that wants to take away the rights of his daughters. By voting for Trump, he chose politics over family, not his daughters.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
I think my mom made a stupid decision. Oh well. She thinks I made a stupid decision.
If your politics define you so much that you abandon your people or you’re not disciplined enough to keep your mouth shut at family events where you’ll convince no one, that’s on you.
Yes. It is fucking stupid.
But you know what’s worse? Supporting a political party over your daughters, who are facing the very real possibility they will have to die simply because of a miscarriage, or no longer having the right to vote. That they will be forced to carry the baby of their rapist. that their daughters may no be entitled to an education- even the shitty ones now provided- the same way they were.
Facing those threats… because you voted for that political party.
They’re not staying away, or “turning their back” on family because of politics. They’re doing so because his politics objectively suck and absolutely will bring harm to them and millions like them. (that is. women. Not to mention racial minorities, immigrants, anyone whose different from the white, cisgendered, conservative male arch type.)
It’s so interesting to see the complete disconnection on here with everyone else’s life.
his politics objectively suck and absolutely will bring harm to them and millions like them. (that is. women. Not to mention racial minorities, immigrants, anyone whose different from the white, cisgendered, conservative male arch type.)
will, will bring harm. Not talking about past harm, not even mentioning current harm. Just FUTURE harm. All of the middle class people on here are just fucking hilarious with their world views. If you’re wondering why most of the population sits out of voting, well you’re never going to see it. Cue the average ivory tower response,
Sure I’m going to go over a waterfall as soon as I go around that bend in the river up there, but why should I get my canoe out of the water now? I mean, everyone knows if a problem is in the future it doesn’t really exist!
FYI, dude, it’s not in the future. Women are dying from miscarriages now. Racially-motivated assaults are on the rise now. Nazis are marching through the streets now. Orange Hitler and his Project 2025 cabinet wants to just bring this bullshit nationwide, and they will do so.
I’m assuming everyone was confusing my statement as some type of pro-trump comment or dismissal of the election results?
I was literally talking about everything you just stated. Everyone is worried about what the Trump presidency is bringing when we are already there in terms of disparaging and effecting the population with our government’s actions. Everyone’s holding their breaths and speculating on what the next presidency will bring while completely ignoring all the crisis’s that are on-going currently.
I’m also flabbergasted that everyone is afraid of what the trump presidency will bring while those same problems have happened for generations and like they don’t currently exist. I suppose people just want to be outraged and I’m not helping with pointing out he’s just making a horrible system become that much worse. These problems existed before Trump for most of the populace.
will, will bring harm. Not talking about past harm, not even mentioning current harm. Just FUTURE harm.
Motherf, he’s not president yet.
Yes it is that hard. If you consider the real effects that politics has on people’s lives, the direct negative consequences of laws and policies that make their lives worse, and then you ask us to ignore those and stop talking about them, maybe we’ll be able to do it if we are not the direct victims. But as soon as you are the direct victim, of course you’re going to speak out on it.
Here’s a very simple example. One of my relatives uses a wheelchair or a walker, and they have a vehicle with handicap tags that they use to get around. The problem is, one problem is, that many polling places don’t have the legally required handicap parking available. So my relative has extreme difficulty voting. That’s a political problem, a political issue, that disenfranchises my relative. Should they be able to discuss it with the family? I sure hope so. But is it politically charged? Of course it is.
What you’re asking, what you’re expecting, is that every single victim has to shut the f****** about the bad s*** they’re dealing with, just because it’s connected to the government.
And look, I picked one of the mildest examples you could possibly think of. After all, my relative might be able to vote absentee, depending on the rules in their state. But there are so many more examples that are absolutely tragic, that involve lives being totally ruined. And you think those should be off limits.
Drag wishes there were fewer people in the world willing to set aside politics for family. People like that are destroying the world.
“I voted for the idea that women aren’t people, now the women in my life don’t like me.”
“Allowed”.
Think I found the “nice guy” underlying reasons.
“Liberalism is a mental disorder” These people are very telling how they treat people who they think legitimately have mental illness.
Conservatives 🤝 Liberals
“The political positions I dislike are caused by mental illness”Socialists: "Hey guys maybe we could try not denigrating mental disorders? Maybe we could try building a left wing that welcomes and accepts the neurodivergent and marginalised?
Liberals: “Fuck you, we’ll never accept psychopaths like Trump!”
Socialists: “I never agreed with you that Trump is a psychopath. We don’t have to accept Trump in order to treat ASPD folks with dignity!”
Liberals: “You’re disgusting, enabling abusers like that. If we treat psychopaths with basic dignity, they’ll only use it to abuse us!”
Words like psychopath have a common usage for people not in psychology/psychiatry. I’m sorry that we’re not meeting the clinical definition that you want, but I don’t think ranting about it all over Lemmy is going to help anything.
When the average nonspecialist individual thinks “psychopath” they think of someone like Hannibal Lecter, who is dangerous and must be locked up to prevent them harming others, and that’s not going to change from a short form text post. It would take a semester of psychology.
Not having empathy should be cause for at least suspicion in and of itself
That’s a very vague statement. You didn’t specify which type of empathy. For example, cognitive empathy is the ability to intuit what other people are thinking. Autistic people tend to have less cognitive empathy, which is related to the poor social skills. It’s hard to participate in social situations when you have a clinically significant inability to read minds. Drag doesn’t think you want to treat autistic people with suspicion, so why don’t you work on clarifying your statement to an appropriate level of specificity?
Then we should make psychology a compulsory subject in high school.
Yeah drag, we probably should. More education is pretty much always good
Unfortunately, most Lemmy users are past high school age, so we’ll have to educate them ourselves.
Yeah, but remember the honey and vinegar metaphor.
Actually, flies love vinegar. It smells like rotting flesh, which is a great place to go lay eggs.
This unintuitive fact matches the truth that being rude to people is an important part of the process of personal growth. Getting people to change takes a carrot AND a stick. When they do change, they’ll remember the carrot more easily. But the stick is important too. You can see this politically with the fact that the government likes to praise MLK for his nonviolent methods, but Malcolm X is the one who got Reagan to pass gun control laws in California. MLK’s movement was threatening because the politicians knew that if they didn’t work with the nonviolent protesters, those protesters would join movements like the Black Panthers. Likewise, rude leftists encourage people to be more open to listening to the polite leftists in their lives. The rude ones raise the stakes.
Yeah, that definitely sounds like a real conversation.
Well, golly gee, he “let” his independent, grown-ass adult offspring vote for the candidate of their own choosing. I can’t imagine why they’d spurn him after such selfless and generous act.
“Now I have been informed that all three children are boycotting thanksgiving”.
Hmm, maybe it has something to do with shit talking them on twitter. Maybe, and this is just a guess, the family gatherings are not politics free zones but full of conspiracies and drama and more shit talking. Just a guess. But none of this is his fault, it’s those damn brainwashed libruls who are spoiling his fun. Now how is he going to do his trump victory lap if his daughters stay away?
Pretty sure they’re not boycotting thanksgiving and just boycotting him. They’ll probably have the best thanksgiving together in years.
Your dinner, their choice
“I just supported taking away your rights. Why are you mad at meeeeee???”
If I was told this by someone in private I would at least be sympathetic, but blasting your children in a public forum is like yelling in walmart. I just can’t view you as any semblance of a good person if you’re publically taking the “eternal victim” stance.
Like, the expected outcome for this rube is that an echo chamber shits on his kids. Gee I wonder why his kids don’t like him, must be mental illness.
